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Write What You Know. But What Do I Know?

Writing teachers everywhere say, “Write what you know.”
Forget if it’s good advice—What do I even know?

In this show, the Js (writer Jon Armstrong and editor Juliet Ulman) talk about some examples of novels where maybe… just maybe the author didn’t know what he was writing about. How do we know what we know? And do we know anything?

In the show, Jon expressed concern about Adam Johnson’s The Orphan Master’s Son. (Amazon link)

A tweet from Paul Gilmartin was mentioned. (He is the host of The Mental Health Happy Hour):

Sara Zarr’s A Writer’s Life podcast was mentioned. Author Coe Booth offered advice to white authors writing characters of color.
A quote from Alain de Botton’s The Course of Love: (Amazon link)
“Look at you,” she says, “you big cross numpty, you.”
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The Colors, Man. The Colors.

Shortbread.
Denim.
Parchment.
Juliet and Jon paint pictures with color words.

They discuss Ingrid Sundberg’s Color Thesaurus. It’s usefulness and limitations. They read some lovely sentences and tackle the difficult issue of skin colors.

Show Links:

Ingrid Sundberg’s Color Thesaurus

Josh Roby’s Handy Words for Skin Tones

Pantone Colors of Human Skin

7 Offensive Mistakes Well-Intentioned Writers Make

Fates and Furies: A Novel by Lauren Groff (Kindle Edition)

Gone Girl: A Novel by Gillian Flynn (Kindle Edition)

The color image was lovingly swiped from Denise Rose.

 

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Corpse of the Corpus

Jon and Juliet discuss some of the fantastic on-line tools for researching slang through time (among other things): Historical Dictionaries and—cue the dramatic music—The Corpus.

 

Links from the show:

Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com)

On-line Slang Dictionary ( http://onlineslangdictionary.com)

Historical Dictionary of American Slang (http://www.alphadictionary.com/slang/)

What is a Corpus? Slides by linguist Jonathan Owen (http://allthingslinguistic.com/post/144161398933/interesting-slides-about-copyediting-and-corpus)

The Google Corpus or Ngram Viewer (https://books.google.com/ngrams)

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The Seven (Mostly Painful) Stages of Being Edited

Ever had your novel come back from an editor?
If you have, you will never forget.

Jon and Juliet break down the Seven Stages of Being Edited. And this showed is based on a blog post of the same name by editor Mike Pope. See the whole post here: The 7 Stages of Being Edited.

1) Shock
Red. Red everywhere. I feel like someone just kicked me. This was once a clean, beautiful manuscript, and now it’s awful, a horrible tangle of strikeouts and lines and margin notes. There’s hardly a sentence that hasn’t been hacked up, starting with the title!
2) Denial
This cannot be true. Surely this is some sort of mistake. I spent hours and hours on the document, and I read it over before I sent it to the editor. Some of these edits — well, I’m floored. There is no way that I said something that dumb! Or that I misspelled that word. Nuh-uh.
3) Anger
I’m starting to get irritated. What the — ? That’s a stupid edit. And so’s that one. Ha! That’s just wrong! Smartypants editors think they know everything! Well, let me just set that editor straight …
4) Despair
Gad. Look at this. I’ll never be a writer. What a disaster. Jeez, what if someone else sees this thing?!? I’ll probably get fired. Why did I ever think I could do this?
5) Acceptance
Well, I guess that that’s a good point. Hmm. Yeah, I can see that. I agree, that sounds better. Hmm. Hmm. Ok, I guess I’ll start here at the top …
6) Love
OMG, thank you so much for fixing this up. Holy cow, what if it had gone out without editing?!
7) Impatience
Hey, can I have that document back? I have a deadline, you know.
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Italic—Good or Evil?

Italic? What’s the matter with italic? I use it everywhere!

Juliet and Jon discuss italic’s use in novels and YA novels. We have a little anecdote, a little history, a little caution, and a little advice. And none of those words should have been in italic. Including italic.

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Profanity or Amateurfanity?

Beware!
We cover all the letter-bombs…
from F to N.

Juliet and Jon discuss the use of profanity in novels and its use for specific characters. We also consider the four types of profanity, strengths, weakness, and the cultural trends.

During the show, Jon mentioned Benjamin Bergen’s book:

31FtFM59l8L._SX327_BO1,204,203,200_What the F: What Swearing Reveals About Our Language, Our Brains, and Ourselves by Benjamin K. Bergen
(Amazon link.)

Smart as hell and funny as fuck, this book explains why we can’t stop swearing and what it tells us about our language and brains.

Everyone swears. Only the rare individual can avoid ever letting slip an expletive. And yet, we ban the words from television and insist that polite people excise them from their vocabularies. That’s a fucking shame. Not only is swearing colorful, fun, and often powerfully apt, as linguist and cognitive scientist Benjamin K. Bergen shows us, the study of it can provide a new window onto how our brains process language. How can patients left otherwise speechless after a stroke still shout out “Goddamn!”? Why did Pope Francis say “fuck” in the middle of a speech? When did a cock cease to be a rooster? Why is “crap” vulgar when “poo” is just childish? And what are we shooting when we give someone the bird?

What the F? Let me effing tell you.

Jon also mentioned that Benjamin Bergen appeared on a recent podcast. The show was Why Are So Many Swear Words Monosyllabic? on Slate’s Lexicon Valley.

 

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The Next Chapter—Length and Title

Chapters.
Novels are made from them.
How long should they be?
What to call them?

Juliet and Jon discuss chapters. How long should they be? What about chapter titles?

It turns out Jon had considered—at least for a time—the worst chapter name in the history of the multi-verse for one of the books he’s working on.


 

Bonus images. After Juliet’s help, here’s the before and after from Jon’s murder mystery:

Before:

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After:

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Your Favorite Sentence Structure

You’re over doing it.
Aren’t you?
You’re repeating yourself.
Aren’t you?

Every writer has a couple of favorite sentence structures that they use and use and use. Juliet and Jon explore the hazy, instinctive, and uncharted land of the favorite sentence structure of authors.

What are they? What do they mean?
We endeavor to over-explain.

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The M-Dash

The M-dash is punctuation—it’s that long dash.
If you write—you probably use it often.
But do you know the four main uses?
Jon only knew only three and only used two.

Join us as we discuss the uses and misuses of Juliet’s favorite punctuation mark. And don’t worry, Matt, we also discuss the M-Dash versus the N-Dash issue.

 

Jon mentioned Lauren Oliver’s Pandemonium in the show. (Amazon link and text.)

The second book in Lauren Oliver’s remarkable New York Timesbestselling trilogy about forbidden love, revolution, and the power to choose.

In this electrifying follow-up to Delirium, Lena is on a dangerous course that takes her through the unregulated Wilds and into the heart of a growing resistance movement. This riveting, brilliant novel crackles with the fire of fierce defiance, romance, and the sparks of a revolution about to ignite.

The photo is the 100 Yards Dash, Newcastle Teachers’ College, NSW, Australia – 1952. Link on Flickr.

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Sapiens

What makes humans unique among the animals?
Love?
Fire?
Tools?
A great idea for a novel?

Jon and Juliet discuss Yuval Noah Harari’s book, Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind. Jon explains how Mr. Harari’s notion of the cognitive revolution has changed his perspective on writing.

Buy Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind on Amazon and help support our show.

(From Amazon) From a renowned historian comes a groundbreaking narrative of humanity’s creation and evolution—a #1 international bestseller—that explores the ways in which biology and history have defined us and enhanced our understanding of what it means to be “human.”

One hundred thousand years ago, at least six different species of humans inhabited Earth. Yet today there is only one—homo sapiens. What happened to the others? And what may happen to us?

Most books about the history of humanity pursue either a historical or a biological approach, but Dr. Yuval Noah Harari breaks the mold with this highly original book that begins about 70,000 years ago with the appearance of modern cognition. From examining the role evolving humans have played in the global ecosystem to charting the rise of empires, Sapiens integrates history and science to reconsider accepted narratives, connect past developments with contemporary concerns, and examine specific events within the context of larger ideas.

 

Also mentioned in this show are the very good podcasts:

A Way With Words with Co-hosts Martha Barnette and Grant Barrett take calls from listeners about language.

EconTalk an economics podcast with weekly interviews with guests ranging from small business owners to Nobel Laureates. Hosted by Russ Roberts. This is where Jon first heard about the Harari book.